Post by Brian HendersonReality check. NO ONE has credit for creating furry fandom. PERIOD.
The history is just a self-indulgent lie. This 'fandom' is in reality
a meta-fandom at best. Composed of religious, artistic, and gaming
elements, the fandom can not be seen as the product of any one person
(or group of persons') idea.
Reality check. We're talking about ORGANIZED furry fandom. People
didn't just start liking anime in 1977 but that's when the first
anime-specific organization was started. People didn't start liking
furries in the late-70s/early-80s, but that is when the fandom started
to get organized, providing furry-specific forums, BBSs, conventions,
fanzines, etc., made and marketed specifically for an audience of
furry fans.
YES REALITY CHECK. If you had read what I wrote you would see that I
did say that you like to try to use qualitirs to prove that you must
be right (though I didn't say it) to tell others to just accept your
version of things. Re-read everything I wrote I read what you wrote
and rejected it with solid auguments. You guys just don't get it. I
will be brief and here it is...
Furry cons are decended from anime and sci-fi cons before them.
(Sci-fi cons going back to 20' and at the time they had the same
reputaion that furry now enjoys.) The format is the same and only the
subject matter is different. Your statement is that some how he made
this format. Otherwise it is like you saying that if I make a new form
that I have made a brand new thing instad of a new application of a
pre-exsisting item. Also, since most furs knew each other (if they
were active on the net (as it was then), comic or sci-fi cons. There
was an pre-established audience with significant links. I could add
more but you are not listening and won't even now. [I am just blowing
off steam and killing time.]
Second, and since you did not read what I wrote I will write it again,
This is Metafandom made of various interests linked by the internet
and a few other communication links. Thus it is not by it's very
nature - Organized. If it was organized the most elemental of issues
would be handled - Names.
The fact is that many of us have seen several persons with the same
name appearing in various places on the web within this organized
fandom. If it was organized it would have handled this as one of the
first issues handled. Or at the least, there would be a govenerning
body or council. Or even an offical channel for communications between
the major entites.
He did not create the internet. Or the concept or pracitcal applicaion
of cons. Or Furry comics (they date back to '40s) or even serious uses
of furrry characters in comics (yes disney did that too and yes they
count per the definition or furry). Did ye creates religon and
connections betwween those with animal totams and their totems - no.
So what did he create - nothing. He and I presume the two of you(as
a logical person would have realized the truth of my aurgument without
this additional information so I must assume an emotional tie) used
the tools availoible to create a series of comics and cons. You may
have a right to claim to be a part of each of those things that he
himself directly created or affected but nothing beyond that.
In fact, furry cons have also be been had but not under the name
"furry" but "funny animal" and "anthromohic"(sp) celebrating a family
of characters or titles. They did not need his 'influance'. You have
thus failed again to proove your point. No one made the interrest or
the internet in this fandom.
I know you will ignore this as it does not fit with you myopic view of
the world. But the fact is that thit is to oppion of someone that
studdied the fandom in a serious way before actually choosing to
become invulved.
Let me tell everyone else that realizes what I am saying the reason
you want to believe this stupid lie you call furry history...you what
togain some imagined air of acceptibilty by creating a history. Well,
making and perpetuating this history is majorly negative. This is
saying that everyone that has these feeling, artwork styles or
appriciations owes something to some one. But This is not true. Most
persons get on the internet and find the fandom but most do because
they were looking for like minds. That means that if they don't find
it they may make it. In fact, that is happening all the time and has
nothing to do with the organization that you imagine. That is the very
nature of a meta-fandom. His actions didn't make it happen, it was
happening already. He was there at the begining and that is not cause
for name recognition.
If those want to believe that Lie I really am done with showing that
they are wrong. After all, I don't have to. I know that they can't or
won't accept that they are wrong. Everyone else know knows the truth.
This is a movement. No one should get credit for this. This is not a
cult or a religion, it is a lot of folks that get togehter to share
their intrests. Saying that someone should get the credit beyond to
the things that they themselves do is wrong as if shifts the credit
from where it really belongs - with the creators, buyers, believers
and players that have made this fandom what it is and continue to
TOTALLY RE-INVENT IT with their heart, ideas and dreams. See the
fandom for what it is and drop the useless lie of a history. That is
one of the first things that we can fo to make a truely good fandom.
Now Ihave togo out and make the things that will make this a fun
fandom again and not deal with such foolishness. (That menas
gentlemena you are answering to no one but yourselves as I am out of
here.)